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Adam Linder Wikipedia's Page WP:Pyramid issue

Hi,

I'm currently working on Adam Linder Wikipedia's page (see: Draft:Adam Linder) and I would like to know how I could avoid the WP:PYRAMID issue. I didn't make it on purpose. I don't understand what I did wrong and I explicitly would like to know which lines are incorrect. Is there any lines that are WP:PYRAMID shocking ?

Thanks for letting me know.

Simononwiki1 (talk) 11:40, 23 April 2025 (UTC)

Don't put irrelevant details in the lead section of the article. How he divides his time? Nobody cares. The lead section is for giving an overview of the main points of the article, so the reader knows how the subject is notable. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:16, 23 April 2025 (UTC)

Okay thanks I modified the lead section. Besides this, is there only that sentence that made it WP:PYRAMID ? Is my wikipedia article ill-written or written in a way that people doesn't want to read it, because of not following wikipedia's rules ?

Thanks a lot for your time.

Simononwiki1 (talk) 16:41, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

Some of it still reads like the author has a conflict of interest. For example, the subjective interpretation "questioning the monetization" is stated as a fact in Wikipedia's narrative voice as if it needs no qualification or citation. Not only is it non-neutral, but it also violates the WP:BLP policy by not being cited to a source. The rest is OK. You have a verb tense error in the Awards section.

While he was won awards, he has also received a few lackluster reviews. Be aware that your client has no control whatsoever over any well-sourced but less-than-flattering statements that get into the article after it's published. ~Anachronist (talk) 23:04, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

Simple HTML interface for Wikipedia

Is there any skin like this available for Wikipedia? I know Monobook is close but comparing to this one it's still bloated. MinervaNeue (talk) 19:42, 24 April 2025 (UTC)

Hi MinervaNeue, welcome to the Teahouse. The API siteinfo [1] says there is a skin called apioutput. useskin=apioutput shows it but there is no user preference to display pages in apioutput. You can select the old deprecated skins Modern and Cologne Blue by viewing preferences with that skin but it doesn't work for apioutput so I don't know a good answer. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:30, 24 April 2025 (UTC)

Tbh Cologne Blue is kinda what I want. Still not close to "apioutput" but imho better than Monobook. Thanks! MinervaNeue (talk) 20:38, 24 April 2025 (UTC)

It sounds like maybe you just want to disable CSS stylesheets entirely. I'm pretty sure there are browser extensions that can do that. Maybe even ones that can lock that in as a preference on a per-site basis. -- Avocado (talk) 00:13, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

This won't look good because of the navbars and sidebars. I want something that looks close to UseModWiki or 2002 Wikipedia. MinervaNeue (talk) 08:14, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

@MinervaNeue: not related to your question, but why is your user name the same as the mobile skin name: mw:Skin:Minerva Neue? Commander Keane (talk) 01:32, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

That's on purpose. MinervaNeue (talk) 08:07, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

O...kay. Why, though? Cremastra _talk 20:01, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

It was not taken, as you can see. MinervaNeue (talk) 21:17, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

Translation software - relevant policies?

Y Issue resolved

What is the policy on editing using translation software? Are editors required to only edit in languages they know? Could someone point me to relevant policies?

Thank you! i know you're a dog (talk) 04:44, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

You can use any translation software on wikipedia but just keep in mind that Wikipedia:translation says Translations from other-language Wikipedias are encouraged, but must be accurate and readable in the target language and Machine translation is allowed, but not sufficient on its own. You must review and correct the output to meet Wikipedia's standards.

Wikipedia:Machine translation says that if you just blind copy translation, it will be reverted. If you have problem in translation in any language, a strong suggestion is seeking Wikipedia translation community.

Are editor allowed..... they know?

No, actually you can edit in any language as long as you are professionally good at it. But practically it is advised to follow the language you are fluent in. Its not a rigid rule but a way to keep ingenuity out from article pages.

My personal opinion. Do not use LLMs for translation as they can change your words. Use a reliable sources before translation as per WP:RS IHitmanI (talk) 05:07, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

Thank you. What about sources in other languages? i know you're a dog (talk) 06:17, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

Are you referring to an article written in a different language, with sources cited in some other language? Such sources are acceptable on Wikipedia, as long as they are from reliable and verifiable publications. A source does not have to be in English simply because the article is written in English. The core requirement is verifiability, not the language of the source.

You can think of it like SIM cards from different telecom providers—they may vary in language or brand, but their core function is the same- internet and calls. Similarly, a reliable source in Spanish, German, or any other language can be used to verify facts in an English Wikipedia article, provided it supports the claim made.

This flexibility is especially important in the case of translated articles, where sourcing material in the exact target language may be impractical or unavailable. In such cases, citing reliable sources from the original language is both reasonable and encouraged, as long as the translation of the content is accurate and faithful to the original meaning. IHitmanI (talk) 06:29, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

Oh that’s great to know, thank you.

What I actually wondered (but didn’t say, I need some sleep!) was can we use translation software to cite non-English sources for English articles?

Despite my mis-asked question, your answer was still very helpful, lest your effort be in vain. i know you're a dog (talk) 06:35, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

Thats great! You can use any language as source, as i previously said, any cite it with english pages. Wikipedia demands proof. And have a sleep! IHitmanI (talk) 06:39, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

Thank you! i know you're a dog (talk) 06:52, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

Iknowyoureadog, you can use translation software to assist your work, but it is still necessary to have working competence in both languages. Translation software still makes errors although it is getting better. An editor doing software aided translation needs to be able to detect and correct these inevitable errors, in a sandbox for example, before publishing the content to the encyclopedia main space. Cullen328 (talk) 07:26, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

Actually his question was about "Can i use other language source in English or different language article?" and its been already resolved. IHitmanI (talk) 07:29, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

No, IHitmanI, that was not the question. Cullen328 (talk) 07:37, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

It was the question, (his message) What I actually wondered (but didn’t say, I need some sleep!) was can we use translation software to cite non-English sources for English articles? IHitmanI (talk) 08:07, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

Thank you, @Cullen328, that makes sense. i know you're a dog (talk) 07:31, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

To give a concrete example: if you were planning on using a French source to back up a statement that John broke Jane's toy, you need to be aware that "il a cassé son jouet" translates equally well to "He broke her toy" and "He broke his toy" (because the possessive pronoun agrees with the object in French, not the subject, as it would in English). There are some language-specific ambiguities that machine-translation software cannot handle, because the ambiguity is fundamental to the language (English has them too: "a kid broke their toy" could refer to the original gender-unknown kid, or another group of kids with whom the kid was playing). Elemimele (talk) 13:00, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

That is a "beautiful" explanation, I liked it. IHitmanI (talk) 13:34, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

Thanks, that’s helpful. i know you're a dog (talk) 18:18, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

I've done this once, before AI tools were available. I used Google Translate to read German sources so I could write the Paul Trappen article, which was on the German Wikipedia at the time but had no English counterpart. I used some of the content from that German article, but many sentences were unsourced. I basically rewrote it using what I could verify in the sources, and I searched for additional sources but didn't find any. It was a lot of work for such a short article. ~Anachronist (talk) 23:30, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

Wikidata Statements

Why I can't edit statements of some posts of Wikidata? NathSt (talk) 09:11, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

In Wikidata, you might be restricted due to one of these issues:

1. New users or those with low edit counts may be restricted from making certain edits. If you’ve just joined, you might need to gain more experience or make edits to less-sensitive parts of Wikidata before you can edit more protected data.
2. Some statements might be protected or locked due to high visibility or sensitivity, such as statements related to controversial topics, and only experienced or trusted editors can modify them.
3. If you try to add a statement that conflicts with an existing one (for example, a contradicting claim), Wikidata may prevent the edit until the conflict is resolved.
4. If the item is under review or waiting for consensus, some edits might be restricted until a decision is made. You may need to wait for others to approve or for any active discussions to be resolved.

Have you tried Wikidata Help page? Maybe do so if you have'nt. IHitmanI (talk) 09:38, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

@IHitmanI@ @Commander Keane Thank you all very much. It seems to work on the desktop. I tried on mobile, but even with the desktop option, it didn't work either. Thank you very much. NathSt (talk) 09:54, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

@NathSt: also, Wikidata does not work well on Mobile view for some things. But on the same device you can click the "Desktop" link and everything should work. Commander Keane (talk) 11:28, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

Either way I think it is much better to edit any Wikimedia services on desktop (or desktop browser) as they are stable there and you have way too many options than the non-desktop versions. IHitmanI (talk) 13:37, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

Editing the profile of a public personality by request

Hello Teahouse community, I consult for actress/producer/nonprofit director Sophina Brown. We are submitting a grant application today that requires an online profile. Her Wikipedia page is ideal for this purpose, but it needs updated information: Sophina Brown I have her permission to update the page, but I don't want to get flagged for making major edits. How do I undertake this task correctly? Thank you! Meganhobza (talk) 16:48, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

Hello. I must disappoint you; Wikipedia is not ideal for your purpose. We don't have "profiles" here, not a single one. We have articles, and they are typically written by independent editors wholly unconnected with the subject. A Wikipedia article is not for a person to tell the world about themselves. Wikipedia articles summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the subject, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of notability.

If you want to write a profile, I'd suggest social media. If you intend to pursue writing an article, you will need to declare as a paid editor, a Terms of Use requirement. 331dot (talk) 16:55, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

Pardon me, I missed that she has an article. You may propose edits to it via the edit request wizard. 331dot (talk) 16:57, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

Hello @Meganhobza. Thank you for disclosing your Conflict of Interest to us. Assuming you are being paid to do this, everything you need to know should be located at WP:PAID. To start, please create your user page and disclose who is paying you and on behalf of who, preferably using the template Template:Paid. It is heavily encouraged you do not edit the article yourself. Instead, create WP:EDITREQUESTs on the article talk page. Our guideline on WP:CONFLICTOFINTERESTs will have more information for you. Note that requests for the sake of promoting the subject will not be accepted. We are here to create a neutral encyclopedia after all! Tarlby ^{(t) (c)} 17:00, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

@Meganhobza While you are working on the biography, you might like to help in a number of ways. For example, encourage Brown to let you take and upload to Commons a picture: see WP:A picture of you. Also, if you can provide reliable citations where the article currently says "citation needed", that would be helpful: reviews of her performances in newspapers etc. would be ideal. The submission of a grant application doesn't sound worth mentioning in a Wikipedia article but if an independent source reports it has been granted, that would be good to add. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:23, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for your replies -- and for the term article! For clarity: The purpose of the edits is not to promote Sophina or to mention a grant application. The information in her article is outdated. It doesn't include her most recent work in television, most of her work in theatre, and there's no mention of the nonprofit she founded and directs, Support Black Theatre. Also the language could benefit from a few copy edits. We just want to make sure the article is accurate and up to date. Ready with citations and photo. Appreciate the links; I'll familiarize myself with the helpful tools you've shared. FWIW, I have had a user account for some years now as a personal interest, not connected with my work. It was because I already have an account that I offered to edit Sophina's article for her. Should I open a separate user account to update her article? Given my conflict of interest, I'm happy to let someone else do it and/or filter the updates we have to offer. Your advice is appreciated! Meganhobza (talk) 18:10, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

Meganhobza, it is neither necessary nor advisable to create a new account. Simply declare your conflict of interest and use the formal Edit request process. Cullen328 (talk) 18:22, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

Excellent, thank you. I'm at the part where I declare my employer (as a grant writer, my consulting contract is with the nonprofit Support Black Theatre). Will this designation be applied only to edits I request for this article? When I go back to regular editing, will I need to undo the stated conflict of interest? Meganhobza (talk) 18:59, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

Please put this template on your user page User:Meganhobza:

{{paid|employer=Support Black Theatre|client=Sophina Brown}}

Disclosure is mandatory, and the best way to do it is on your user page. You entered into a legally-enforceable agreement to make this disclosure when you created your account on Wikipedia. Do this before you make any further edits.

After you have done that, you may use Wikipedia:Edit Request Wizard/Paid to propose changes to the article.

You should not remove that template from your user page. The fact that you may have moved on to other things on Wikipedia doesn't erase the fact that you were paid to work on one thing. ~Anachronist (talk) 23:44, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

@331dot: "We don't have 'profiles' here" "Profile: Noun (countable) A summary or collection of information, especially about a person". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:27, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

Yes, Wikipedia is specifically not an indiscriminate collection of information. Many use the word "profile" as "here's all the information about this person". Wikipedia is a collection of articles that summarize independent sources. It's not semantics, but an important distinction to provide the right mindset, in my view. 331dot (talk) 18:36, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

WP:NOT is irrelevant to the point at hand; referring to a Wikipedia article as a profile is normal English usage. To suggest otherwise is the "wrong mindset". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:45, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

"We are submitting a grant application today..." Really? Be aware that there are no deadlines on Wikipedia. If you want the article on your client updated, it isn't going to be a fast process. You would need to propose incremental changes on the article's talk page, and wait for your proposals to be reviewed by other editors and either implemented or declined. As 331dot said, Wikipedia is not ideal for your purpose. ~Anachronist (talk) 01:51, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

Citing uncontroversial details, like a character's name, in a piece of media.

Hello.

For a while now, I've been adding character names and one line description to the "Cast" section of Wikipedia pages of various movies and TV shows; it's straight-forward stuff: turning a line like "John Smith as Jack" into something like "John Smith as Dr. Jack Smithy, surgeon at FooBar Hospital, husband of Karen Smithy."; a bit more descriptive with some, uncontroversial, details from the work itself. I do this as I know many people, myself included, like to use Wikipedia as sort of a media compendium to quickly reference details in a work of fiction while watching or returning to it after some delay. Obviously, my source for these additions would be from the content/text of media itself, like reading the book, watching the movie or TV series, or playing the videogame.

Recently, I was going about this, adding more character names and basic descriptions to the page for the TV series The Gardener as I was watching the series only to have some of my edits undone by another user because the full names for the characters I added weren't listed in a pre-existing cited news article that only contained the character's first names. I began looking into how I could improve my contributions: either stake my claim (so to speak) that these are uncontroversial details or cite the content of the media itself as the source. I consulted various citation guides on Wikipedia like Help:Referencing for beginners and Wikipedia:Citing sources but nothing I found seemed to address the core issue of citing trivial but helpful and uncontroversial details like names of fictional characters in a piece of media. The closest I found was from this guide primarily pertaining to YouTube videos:

Any interpretation of primary source material requires a reliable secondary source for that interpretation. This prevents editors from engaging in original research. A primary source may only be used to make descriptive statements that can be verified by any educated person without specialist knowledge. Editors should not use a video as a citation to present their own interpretation of its content. If the material in a video only available on YouTube includes content not previously produced or discussed in other reliable sources, then that material may be undue and inappropriate for Wikipedia.

Primary sources, such as an episode of an editor's favorite television program, can easily be incorrectly used to create trivia sections. This should be avoided. Such sources should also not be used to create articles that include only the plot of television shows or movies without additional details found in secondary sources. Although concise plot summaries are usually appropriate, failing to provide secondary coverage puts notability into question and does not provide encyclopedic content.

Editors can use the {{cite episode}} template to cite specific television programs. The {{cite AV media}} template can be used for movies and other visual media. Even though Wikipedia is an online encyclopedia, a link is not necessary since there is no distinction between using online or offline sources. As much information as possible should be provided to increase the likelihood of the source being accepted as reliable by the community. Including the minutes being referred to in a long video will make the source easier to verify by your fellow editors and the reader. Most relevant details can be found in the credits, any packaging, or through the Internet.

When citing books or unusually long journal articles, an editor should specify the page number(s). Similarly, some means of specifying the location of the referenced content from a video, called a timecode, is strongly encouraged. For YouTube videos, one can specify the start location's timecode by appending to the URL: &t=0m12s, described in more detail in various online posts.

I wouldn't describe basic details as an "interpretation" but rather an instance of the following guideline: "A primary source may only be used to make descriptive statements that can be verified by any educated person without specialist knowledge." I've looked into using the {{Template:Cite AV media}} mentioned above but it seems most tailored to legacy media, not a streamed miniseries like The Gardener, and I suppose it would necessitate providing a timestamp to an exact moment in an episode a character's full name or an essential detail about them is specified. This would all feel like significant overkill and a cumbersome barrier with little material benefit. I suspect there's a much less convoluted and more direct way of handling this, but my search hasn't found any help pages addressing this specifically.

So, my query is pretty simple: how should I go about doing this, if at all, in a way that will appease sticklers like Asqueladd (said in a friendly way) and hopefully let us continue to make Wikipedia a useful reference for essential details in a work of fiction? Anad0 (talk) 22:55, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

Uncategorized redirect list

Is there some type of special page that lists redirects that are uncategorized (have no rcat templates)? I wanted to easily find some to categorize. DiamondFrxsh (talk) 23:34, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

This is better asked at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Redirect. Not all redirects should be categorized. See Wikipedia:Categorizing redirects. Many redirects are already in hidden categories since they contain an R template like {{R to scientific name|insect}}. StarryGrandma (talk) 01:00, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

AfD question regarding a cricketer.

Hello, I hope all here are well. My question is about the current AfD discussion going on here regarding cricketer Tanzeel Altaf. I was reading WP:NCRIC and then WP:OFFICIALCRICKET, and it is shown that Altaf played from 2011 to 2014 in the Super 8 Twenty20 Cup using information from ESPNcricinfo [2]. According to WP:OFFICIALCRICKET, the Cricket WikiProject deems having played in this T20 cup to qualify as having presumably significant coverage. So my question is, would this rule in WP:OFFICIALCRICKET make it so the page for Altaf would not be deleted, no matter if the ESPNcricinfo page was the only SIGCOV? Thanks all for your help, and have a wonderful weekend. Réunion! 01:45, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

I had a go at answering this at the AfD. Reunion is aware. Commander Keane (talk) 08:27, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

Seeking guidance on COI compliance and potential block risk

 Courtesy link: Dianne Blell

Hi everyone,

I'm a new contributor and academic researcher working on an article about a woman artist whose work I’ve studied and published on. I’ve fully disclosed this connection on my User page and the article’s Talk page.

After receiving a first warning about COI and possible paid editing (to be clear, I am not being paid—I’ve personally invested time and funds to help preserve this artist’s archive), I complied fully: I updated my user page with all requested disclosures, acknowledged neutrality concerns, and stopped direct editing. I used the Talk page extensively to ask questions and request help.

I also consulted with my assigned new editor mentor (Toadette), who confirmed that I had followed policy. After posting disclosures, I asked the original editor whether I could revise the article for neutrality. When they didn’t reply for several hours, I moved forward with edits, working carefully with a mentor to ensure the changes were neutral and encyclopedic. Minutes later, I received a message warning me I could be blocked.

This has been very disheartening. I’m trying to document the career of a living woman artist who has had solo shows at a major NYC gallery, and whose work has appeared in The New York Times, Artforum, books, and dissertations. My intention is simply to tell her story—accurately, neutrally, and while she’s still alive to see it. I would truly appreciate a second opinion or guidance on how to proceed.

Please feel free to review my User Talk page for full context.

Thank you so much. Rachelmward (talk) 04:40, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

The "COI" disclosures on you User page were vague (you did not specify the articles) and you later deleted even that much. More to the point, you created a trap for yourself. A person with a declared COI can work on a draft. However, once a draft is in main space (either accepted by a reviewer or moved there by the creator), the creating editor is prohibited from making further edits, and instead must propose changes on the Talk page of the article. I think this applies to Dianne Blell, Nick Weber (artist) and Darius Yektai. I am sure this feels unfair, as you are trying to improve the neutrality of the article in the hope that other editors will remove the tags, but instead your massive edits are being reverted. Regardless, stop editing those articles. Instead, abandon attempts to 'improve' or else propose specific changes as entries on the Talk pages. Going forward, take as a lesson to improve the quality of your drafts before submitting to AfC or moving to main space. David notMD (talk) 12:22, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

For the Nick Weber article, you created it and moved it to main space. An editor moved it back to draft. You submitted to AfC. It was declined. You moved it to main space again. And now it has multiple tags, and might even be at risk for an AfD nomination. Take all this history as a sign that you are not yet competent to move your drafts to main space. David notMD (talk) 13:00, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

I have sent it to WP:AFD it is not at all clear how they pass WP:NARTIST. Theroadislong (talk) 13:26, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

"the creating editor is prohibited from making further edits" @David notMD: Please read our COI policy, which does not say this. There are restrictions, but nota blanket prohibition. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:25, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

There is clear evidence of financial COI in at least two article creations, which has been shared with the functionaries. Additionally, citing one's own academic work, is considered self-promotion (I've removed that from the Blell article.) Netherzone (talk) 17:22, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

"citing one's own academic work, is considered self-promotion" It can be, but is also permssible in some circumstances. See WP:EXPERT. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:25, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

Also the mentor TodetteEdit has stated that she assumed Rachelmward had disclosed their employer, but admits that she did not in fact check. User talk:ToadetteEdit#Question from Rachelmward Netherzone (talk) 17:26, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

I am corrected: WP:COI states "you are strongly discouraged from editing affected articles directly;" You could ask the editor who reverted your edits, on that person's Talk page, what they would consider permissible direct editing. David notMD (talk) 20:02, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

Problem regarding Cyprus

In Wikipedia articles, Cyprus is usually listed in Europe, but the problem is in this article because one user keeps on moving Cyprus back to Asia simply because the UN categorized it as so. Has there been any consensus regarding the matter in Wikipedia before? Underdwarf58 (talk) 08:01, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

Hello, Underdwarf58. I think that a quotation from the lead of Cyprus is useful. Although it is geographically located in West Asia, its cultural identity and geopolitical make-up are overwhelmingly Southeast European. This is connected to the broader reality that the "boundary" between Europe and Asia is not clearly defined, and that a logical argument can be made that they are not two separate continents but rather one Eurasian continent. The concept of "continent" is a social convention not a factual matter. Please read Boundaries between the continents which says The modern border between Asia and Europe is a historical and cultural construct, and for that reason, its definition has varied. Cullen328 (talk) 18:04, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

Draft:Big Indie Pictures

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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I have created a draft article Draft:Big Indie Pictures, an American film production company. This company produced many acclaimed films. I invite to the Wikipedia Community and Editor to contribute to this Draft and to expand it with Reliable Sources. Thank you Misopatam (talk) 08:13, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

Note: it appears that the author has since requested the draft be deleted. --ColinFine (talk) 12:31, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

Since it declined immediately after submitting, so i request for deletion under G7. If you are willing to work on the draft you can refund the article. Thank you Misopatam (talk) 12:37, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Questions about paid editing

Who does paid editing and how to do it? How do they contact paid editors? And does Wikipedia has any role in this? If someone promises to pay but don't pay anything. Sistersofchappel (talk) 10:37, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia is typically edited by volunteers. There are people and companies that claim to offer Wikipedia editing services; these have varying reputability, some are legitimate and comply with our policies, but some don't(I've seen some that openly say they don't comply with our policies and disagree with them) and many are scams. No paid editing service is endorsed by Wikipedia, and Wikipedia has no role in putting together paid editors with those seeking their services. It's up to those seeking paid editing services to evaluate the person/company offering the services before hiring them.

If you get scammed or cheated by a purported paid editor, that's something you will need to deal with on your own. Technically it could be reported to the authorities, but given the nature of the Internet it's hard to impossible to find and punish scammers and get your money back. 331dot (talk) 11:09, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

If you aspire to be paid for editing, carefully read Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure. David notMD (talk) 12:54, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

Hi 331dot I don't want to hire paid editor, it's opposite. Lets say after editing for many months I learn all rules of Wikipedia. Then how can I contact companies that need paid editors. And lets say I create article for their company and if they don't give me money. Sistersofchappel (talk) 13:00, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

Sistersofchappel If you want to be a paid editor, you're going to have to figure out how to do that yourself. When you do, you will need to comply with WP:PAID for all your clients.

If you take on a client, perform the agreed to work, and they decline to pay you, that's a matter you will have to pursue on your own. Wikipedia cannot force a third party to pay you for services you render. 331dot (talk) 14:08, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Sistersofchappel, and welcome to the Teahouse. I believe I speak for many editors (though not all) when I say that in my view paid editors are tolerated because otherwise they would edit clandestinely. They are not encouraged. ColinFine (talk) 22:29, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

Ownership of a non-NPOV article

I tried editing, as have others, an article and there was a swarm of activity that reverted and defended that only their point of view should be reflected. I just looked at this article recently, but reading the Talk page and the edits, it has been going on for a long time. I'm not too sure what to do about it. Do I post on an admin board, submit some request for review? I really don't know what to do.StarHOG (Talk) 12:06, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

Guessing this is about Talk:Historicity_of_Jesus#Article_overhaul_needed, you could try WP:APPNOTEing some relevant wikiprojects/noticeboards, try an rfc, or walk away. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:54, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

Question

Hi, for some reason I couldn't ask a question the last few times I tried. Anyways, I figured out how to create redirects over on Wikiquote. It's really easy in comparison. Can I make redirects using some special tool here or do I need to request their creation somewhere else? I'm obviously not an admin. TerrenceWals (talk) 14:29, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @TerrenceWals, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia.

You should be able to create a redirect since your account is AUTOCONFIRMED.

As far as I know there's no special tool for creating Redirects, but it's straightforward: see WP:redirect.

Happy editing. ColinFine (talk) 14:59, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

Thank you, Colin. I will try tomorrow. I have already prepared a 2-page docx lol. TerrenceWals (talk) 15:04, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

oldafdfull is not linking to a discussion page

In March 2006 the Scintilla (software) article was nominated for deletion through the xFD process. There was a discussion with the result being Keep.

Subsequently, someone documented this on Talk:Scintilla (software) using {{oldafdfull|date=19 March 2006}}

At present, everything looks okay except that the word discussion that the template generates is not linked to the discussion thread. I tried to fix this by adding |page = Scintilla (software) and then |result = '''keep''' parameters to {{oldafdfull}} but those did not help.

I am not familiar enough with the xFD templates to adjust what's currently on the article's talk page so that the deletion discussion in 2006 gets linked. Thank you. --Marc Kupper|talk 18:20, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

The reason |page=Scintilla did not give you the link you wanted is because there is no deletion discussion for the page Scintilla. The template automatically looks for an xFD that matches the name of the page where it's placed, but as you saw that also wasn't working. The problem was that the page had been moved (renamed) after the xFD, so its current name does not match the discussion-name. Fixed. DMacks (talk) 18:37, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

Thank you. I had not noticed that the article title had changed. That makes sense. --Marc Kupper|talk 22:44, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

Template talk:Old XfD multi#Better handling of incorrect page parameter is my diagnosis of the confusion and proposal to handle it better. DMacks (talk) 04:03, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

Making the best article

I’m pimplescrote and (redacted)

how can I make the best Wikipedia article? Pimplescrote (talk) 00:07, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

I would first suggest that you not post your exact location and other personal information in this very public place, for your protection.

Writing a new article is not the only or even best way to contribute. It's the most challenging thing to attempt on Wikipedia. You did use the tutorial, and that's good, but it's highly recommended that you first gain experience by editing existing articles.

You may, however, see Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 00:16, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

Thanks 331dot. I am pimplescrote. Pimplescrote (talk) 00:58, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

Indefinitely blocked for name and for abusing editing privileges. David notMD (talk) 11:47, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

Help with move page

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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I wanted to move a page from my Sandbox User:KhoaNguyen1/Hanoi FC – SLNA Rivalry to mainspace, but I accidently messed it up and moved it to a user page User:Hanoi FC – Song Lam Nghe An Rivalry, I cant undo it because it dont let me to. Can anyone help me with this? Thank KhoaNguyen1 (talk) 03:18, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

It is done. Valorrr ^{(lets chat)} 03:54, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

thank you! I will be careful next time KhoaNguyen1 (talk) 04:05, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

No problem! Valorrr ^{(lets chat)} 04:32, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

How to deal with talk page blanking of repeated warnings

Hello! Something that I'm sure has happened 100x before but never something that has impacted me specifically, is going on to another user's page to give them a warning, only to see that they have received numerous ones before now but have blanked their talk page to prevent them from being seen. I have two questions on how to deal with this: 1) Is it policy for me to un-blank their prior warnings, and 2) In the case of User talk:Lxbaguette, should they receive a block at this point? Guidance on either one of these questions would be much appreciated, cheers! Johnson524 05:43, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

@Johnson524 Hello! Per WP:OWNTALK, a user can remove such warnings if they wish, so you should not re-insert them. It is a taken to mean that they saw and read the message. Removing them doesn't mean they didn't happen.

If you report this user to WP:AIV, an admin might block them since they're being unconstructive and messing with BLP:s, or it might be considered a little to early yet. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:47, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång: Thank you for the guidance! It is much appreciated 🙂 Johnson524 07:57, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

 This section is resolved and can be archived. If you disagree, replace this template with your comment. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:19, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

Help with Draft:Recruit CRM

 Courtesy link: Draft:Recruit CRM

Hey there, I have only covered information in this draft that can actually be cited and all information corresponds to all cited sources including some verified ones like Forbes, Economic Insider, Marketwatch, Crunchbase and more, I am not sure why this was declined on the basis of not having reliable in depth sources. It would be great if someone could assist here or help me with editing this article further so that I can understand what issues were pointed out and how they can be fixed. This will also be a great learning point for me from anybody experienced in this forum, I have already raised this as a question in AFC help desk but getting some help from here would mean the world. Thank you in advance, Good day. Rectech enthusiast (talk) 06:29, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

Hello! Unfortunately it looks like Recruit CRM does not meet our "notability" requirements. See WP:NOTABLE and WP:NCORP for more information.

We'd need independent in-depth coverage in reliable sources. Polygnotus (talk) 08:02, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

Among other flaws, many of the references are dead. David notMD (talk) 11:54, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

@Rectech enthusiast Others, like forbes.com may not be reliable and WP:CRUNCHBASE is deprecated. See those links. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:08, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of article

The article Iranian economic crisis was proposed for deletion — on its talk page — on April 27, 2025. The reason given was exactly:

not needed, Like I don't think the siutaion has goon bad enough for it to be called a crisis, seems like a big over reaction

Should this be removed? I would do it myself but I just want to make sure. 🌳 Balsam Cottonwood (talk) ♰ 09:28, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

The PROD is in the wrong place (Talk page), when it should be at the top of the article page. David notMD (talk) 11:59, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

@Balsam Cottonwood The article seems well sourced to current commentary but could do with a lot of tidying up, as tagged at the top. Perhaps it should also be moved to a more neutral title rather than deleted. What do reliable sources call recent economic events there? Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:05, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

Proposing an article you wrote for deletion

I have a draft article I would like to propose for deletion, but I don't know the proper template to do so. How would I propose my own draft article for deletion? 🌳 Balsam Cottonwood (talk) ♰ 09:32, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

Hello @Balsam Cottonwood! It should fall under G7 of the speedy deletion policy, "Author requests deletion". I'll put the tag on the top of the article for you. PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 12:04, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

Requesting Copyright Owner Permission To Use Image

I would like to add a facial picture to the following article Klavdia (singer), but i couldn't find any free licensed / public domain picture, so i found a picture used in this Article, with this direct Link. The picture seems to have an built-in caption referencing the photographer with copyright symbol, phographer's name, and a phographing company's website. The website doesn't show the pictures taken from the company, as it asks for costumer information. According To Wikipedia, i have to ask the copyright owner for permission, and more speccifcally if is it licensed if is it a free license / or on public domain and if not, based of (Commons:Volunteer_Response_Team#If_you_are_NOT_the_copyright_holder). The problem is, when you click on the Email Template Page (Commons:Email_templates#Declaration of consent for all inquiries), it prompts the user to use a wizard tool, but in this case i want to provide the page for the copyright owner to fill out the template and send it back to me, according yo The Wikipedia Guide says, in order for me to check the license. What am i Doing?. Then if its correct i upload the image to wikipedia with mentioned tag, i ask the sender/copyrighter to forward the full mailling thread to the correct wikipedia page. Now, wouldn't this whole proccess discourage the copyrighter and also i am doing it all this correctly?, this is my first time. Any advice?

( I am aware of the "fair use" usage, but you can only upload it only to each wikipedia, and it isn't clear how to do it, and also i want to learn the procces, and upload to wikimedia, whcih can be use in other wikis, since the article is translated into multiple languages.

- Mant08 (talk) 14:32, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

The copyright owner should be the one to fill it out. They are the ones who are allowed to make the release, so it's best if they do it directly rather than you being their intermediary. For the record, non-free images of living persons are almost never allowed (usually fails WP:NFCC policy-point #1 ("no free equivalent...could be created..."). DMacks (talk) 14:52, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

@Mant08 You'll need to be in touch with the copyright holder by email in any event. If you can't persuade them to do the upload, then you can do it on their behalf provided they are prepared to send (usually within one week) an email to the volunteers at Commons from an address that's clearly theirs. The VRT page you linked explains that you would mark the file with a "permission pending" template after you had uploaded it: and, obviously, you need to tell the photographer the filename you used so they can mention that in their email to VRT. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:00, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

Thank you both / all for your advises. Mark Question As Complete - Mant08 (talk)

User Page

Hello... Can some body made arrangements on my unparalleled user page. Everything is upside down and I'm unable to looking and understand. Please made some arrangements and make it look good. Thank you Misopatam (talk) 15:00, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

@Misopatam Is it better now after my edit? If not, just WP:Revert it. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:07, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

Thank you Misopatam (talk) 15:30, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

When should I publish my draft?

So, currently working on Draft:List of Ministry of Public Security police officers killed in the line of duty.(similar list to List of Singapore police officers killed in the line of duty(which I partially copied on the template); And if you are asking why it is separate to List of People's Armed Police personnel killed in the line of duty, this is due to the chinese firefighters prior to 2013 being PAP personnel, so the PAP was half firefighter, half police.)

It is likely gonna take a very very very long time before it is complete with all of the information available.(and considering between 1949 and 2023, over 17,000 civilian officers died in the line of duty, it will likely take much much longer for ones much longer ago) Luckily, the ministry of public security publishes annual honor rolls which makes things much much easier(for the recent ones, obviously). Currently, I'm working on adding ones from the 2024 honor roll, however I have no idea of when I should actually publish it. Should I publish the not-so complete list now and continue working on it later, publish it after I am done adding instances from the 2024 MPS honor roll and continue later, or only publish it after I have finished it to the best i can possibly do(which is likely gonna be in the very, very far future)?

Additionally, if anyone understands Chinese and Uyghur, Kazakh, Yi or Tibetan, Can you also add the names of the officers of those ethnic groups in their native name(keep the transliterated Chinese name) and make sure my transliterated names are accurate(and correct them if they are wrong)? I mostly just cross referenced from the Tibetan name or chinese wikipedia uyghur name article along with google translate or just simply putting in Pinyin instead. Thehistorianisaac (talk) 16:37, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

Help with Draft

 Courtesy link: Draft:Zurvan

Hi there, I created a draft for Zurvan, the Iranian divinity of Infinite Time. A Zurvan page was already created, which was redirected to the Zurvanism, because of that reviewer declined draft and suggested merging the content to Zurvanism article. But it is important to note that Zurvan was a significant divinity in multiple periods of Iranian religion. As a god of infinite time in ancient Iranian religion, a Yazata in mainstream Zoroastrianism, and as the creator god in Zurvanism, Zurvan had different roles and meanings across these stages. Therefore, it deserves its own article since Zurvanism article can only represent one period of time. How can I make the draft more capable of being published? Hirbod Hsp (talk) 16:44, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

You need reliable sources and more content. However, it looks like your draft can be merged with the article Zurvanism. ‹hamster717🐉› ^{(discuss anything!🐹✈️ • my contribs🌌🌠)} 17:35, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

The draft says that Zurvanite theology regards time as "infinite" and boundless", but that "Ahura Mazda ultimately triumphs at the end of time". This will appear to some readers as a contradiction. Maproom (talk) 20:48, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

Good ideas for an article?

I really want to write a good one, but I have absolutely no ideas. Could someone offer some? (make sure its notable and suitable for wikipedia please) Thank you, loserhead (talk) 18:52, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Writing a new article- the most difficult task to attempt on Wikipedia- is not the only or even best way someone can contribute. The vast majority of our nearly 7 million articles need some help. I'd go to the Community Portal where there are suggested things to do. 331dot (talk) 18:55, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

Hello, Loserhead4512. Take a look at User:Cullen328#My redlinks where I list some topics that I think are notable. Other editors have successfully written several articles from that list. Here are some other ideas: The Billboard charts go back to 1913. Wikipedia has excellent coverage of hit songs from the last 60 years. There are many articles that can be written about hit songs from 80 to 110 years ago. There is a strong presumption of notability for state and provincial legislators, and Wikipedia does a pretty good job with those serving in the last 25 years. But there are countless legislators from the previous centuries who lack biographies. You could spend the rest of your life working on these areas. Cullen328 (talk) 20:18, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

Is this sockpuppetry? (I don't know where else to post this)

I'm sorry if this is the wrong place to put this in. Although I've been using Wikipedia for a very long time, I'm new to editing and don't really know my way around doing a lot of things. This is the first time I'm making a report on a user (or pair of users) because it seems like a person is referencing themselves and using 2 separate IP addresses to do so—so it's like sock-puppetry too.

In respect to the Wikipedia articles “Determiner phrase” and “Sentence (linguistics)”, users 37.111.139.131 and 37.111.136.23 seem to be sock-puppets, or at least related. For starters, their IP addresses both begin in 37.111.1, which means they’re both from Sindh region of Pakistan (Link, Link). They both reference the same website in their edits—“BACE Academy” (Link, Link). If you go to the web pages linked, in both articles, it’s the same author—Engr Sharif Kakar (Link, Link), who is also from Pakistan (Link).

I think it’s very suspicious that two separate IP addresses from Pakistan are citing the same website for information, the author of which is also from Pakistan. It might be the case that the author of this website is referencing their own work and doing it under different IP addresses. It doesn’t make it any better the fact that the articles on that website and the edits on the Wikipedia articles seem to have all been done this April.

Again, I don't know if I'm supposed to make a ticket somewhere or something, but if someone more experienced and knowledgeable than me could guide in the right direction or maybe take over from here, that'd be excellent. Languagelover3000 (talk) 22:20, 27 April 2025 (UTC)